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WittyPi 4 L3V7: What is the maximum power that can be supplied through the UPS?

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Hello forum,

as answered here, the TP4056 charger is able to charge the UPS cells with 1A current (which I've now tested and what I can confirm).

This question aims at the opposite: Is there a maximum power that can be stepped-up by the WittyPi when connected to a (large) block of 3.7V cells?

My Pi Zero + WittyPi 4 L3V7 is offgrid and performs document scans every once in a while. When using a single Sony US18650VTC6 Lithium-Ionen Akku, 3000mAh, Flat-Top cell (fully charged), the Pi is able to power on and perform ~30 scans before being undersupplied and not being able to boot properly. I then tried to increase the amount of scans by attaching a pack of 4 (fully charged) Samsung INR18650-35E 3500mAh 3,7V - 18650 cells, but this happens: The booting starts but the WittyPi turns off exactly when the attached scanner performs its initilization routine, which is triggered when the Pi's USB hub is powered during boot (high peak consumption). The single cell was able to handle this, but 4 cells (in parallel) cannot?

Is this an issue that is solved by switching to another cell brand?

Or is there a maximum current that can be supplied/stepped-up by the WittyPi which could be related to this behaviour? Both cell types measure 4.2V. The setup demands ~1.4A at peak (seconds) (I measured a maximum of <1.5A when powered through USB).

Thanks for any help on this strange behavior,

best, electrobee

Edit: These are the specs of Samsung cells:

  • Cell Size: 4/3 A
  • System: Li-Ion
  • Voltage: 3.6 Volts
  • Capacity: 3500 mAh
  • Connector Type: Flattop
  • Cardboard Sleeve Wrapping: Bare Cell
  • Cell Type: Industrial
  • Height (net): 65.3 mm
  • Diameter (net): 18.2 mm
  • Net Weight: 50 g
  • Max. Charging Current: 2 A
  • Max. Discharging Current: 10 A
  • Internal Resistance: 28 mOhm
  • Manufacturer: Samsung
  • Manufacturer Part No.: 27260
This topic was modified 1 week ago by electrobee
 
Posted : 18/03/2025 4:54 pm
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Witty Pi 4 L3V7 can output up to 3A current. So on the battery side, that's about:

3 * 5 / 3.7 ~= 4A

If your battery (pack) can deliver 4A current at 3.7V, Witty Pi 4 L3V7 can output 3A at 5V.

I can not tell why your battery pack can not deliver enough current, while a single cell can. However I guess it worths measuring the actual max output current of your battery pack.

Connector and wires may also play a role here, you may want to measure the actual voltage drop on the connector and the wires.

 
Posted : 18/03/2025 5:20 pm
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This is incredible! You made a perfect guess!

In my single cell experiment I used a factory soldered single-cell holder with mounted PH2.0 connector -> enough power from a single cell.

Then I bought a 4 cell holder without PH2.0 connector and reused the first cable by manually soldering it to the blank cables. I did a bad job and the power demand during boot was too much for the cable, not the battery!

Thank you for pointing out the connectors and wires as possible points of failure!

 
Posted : 19/03/2025 12:20 pm
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